(Revised Again, Again) Yusuke Urameshi's Power Levels

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(Revised Again, Again) Yusuke Urameshi's Power Levels; Including DBZ, DBZ Movies, and DBGT
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 5 2014, 10:43 PM (3,503 Views)
+ Yusuke	Mar 5 2014, 10:43 PM Post #1
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Note: - I personally believe that the kids are slightly under 50% of Gohan's power. I've debated this a lot and I'm personally going to stick with it. - I don't believe Gokhan would be a lot stronger than Vegito due to the gaps between Base Goku and Ultimate Gohan. - This list also includes my fanfic series as well just for me to keep track of the PL's for it. Multipliers Spoiler: click to toggle Super Saiyan Multipliers (They decrease as the series progress) SS: 50x Base (Ascended SS is 1.5 x SS and Ultra SS is 1.9-2.3x SS) LSS: 2.3x SS SS2: 4x SS SS3: 4x SS2 SSG: 100x SS SS4: Potential Unlock Fusion A + B x 100 (A and B must be at the same level or the fusion will not work) Potara A + B x (varies) x 9 (Potara can vary depending on how close A and B are in power. If the two are equal, then they will get a 400X boost. Potara also gets a 9X boost as well. Rival Boost The rival boost is x2 for my PL's. DBZ Saiyan Saga and Namek Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Saiyan Saga Farmer Vs Raditz Farmer With Shotgun: 5 Raditz:: 1,300 Goku & Piccolo Vs Raditz Son Goku (With Weights): 334 Son Goku (Without Weights): 416 Kamehameha: 950 Piccolo (With Weights): 322 Piccolo (Without Weights): 408 Makankosappo: 1,330 Piccolo (With Weights, Post Fight): 329 Son Gohan: 1 Son Gohan (Angry, 1st Time): 710 Son Gohan (Angry, 2nd Time): 1,370 Raditz : 1,300 Raditz (Weakened): 200 Other Characters Krillin: 206 Master Roshi: 139 Yamcha: 177 Chiaotzu: 145 Tenshinhan: 250 Yajirobe: 148 Kami: 290 King Yemma: 2,000 King Kai: 3,000 Z-Fighters Vs Nappa Son Gohan (Post-Training): 981 Son Gohan (Angry): 2,500 Masenko: 2,800 Krillin (Post-Training, Supressed): 1,083 Krillin (Post-Training): 1,770 Piccolo (Post-Training, Supressed): 1,220 Piccolo (Post-Training): 2,300 Chiaotzu: 610 Yamcha: 1,480 Tenshinhan: 1,830 Saibamen (Each): 1,200 Nappa (Supressed): 4,000 Goku Vs Nappa Nappa (Full Power): 6,500 Goku (Supressed): 5,000 Goku (Full Power): 8,200 Kaioken x2: 16,400 Goku, Gohan, Krillin, Yaijorbe Vs Vegeta Goku: 8,350 Kaioken x2: 16,700 Kaioken x3: 25,050 Kaioken x3 Kamehameha: 57,615 Kaioken x4: 33,400 Kaioken x4 Kamehameha: 76,820 Son Goku (Crippled): 5 Vegeta: 18,000 Galick Gun: 58,000 Vegeta (Before going Oozaru): 13,000 Oozaru Vegeta: 130,000 Vegeta (Injured): 10,000 Vegeta (Mortally Injured):1,000 Vegeta (Crippled): 10 Son Gohan (Zenkai): 1,000 Son Gohan (Injured): 300 Son Gohan (Oozaru, Injured): 3,000 Yaijorbe: 970 Krillin: 1,770 Genkai Dama: 300,000 Weakened Genkai Dama: 9,000 Namek Saga On To Namek! Freeza`s Soliders (Each) : Under 1,000 Warrior Nameks (Each): 3,000 Son Gohan (Zenkai): 1,500 Krillin: 1,500 Vegeta (Zenkai): 24,000 Cui: 19,000 Dodoria: 22,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon (True Form): 27,000 Vegeta (2nd Zenkai): 30,000 Z-Fighters Vs Ginyu Force Son Gohan (Potential Unlocked): 12,000 Krillin (Potential Unlocked): 11,000 Vegeta: 30,000 Guldo: 5,000 Recoome: 40,000 Burter: 40,000 Jeice: 40,000 Son Goku (Supressed): 5,000 Son Goku (Full Power): 90,000 Z-Fighters Vs Captain Ginyu Son Goku: 90,000 Kaioken x2: 180,000 Son Goku (In Captain Ginyu`s Body, Injured): 2,000 Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Captain Ginyu (In Goku`s Body): 23,000 Son Gohan (Zenkai): 29,000 Krillin: 28,000 Vegeta (Injured, 3rd Zenkai): 200,000 Nail: 42,000 1st Form Freeza: 530,000 Freeza Saga and Trunks Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Freeza Saga Z-Fighters Vs Freeza Son Gohan (2nd Zenkai): 300,000 Son Gohan (2nd Zenkai, Angry): 1,100,000 Son Gohan (3rd Zenkai): 600,000 Son Gohan (3rd Zenkai, Angry): 1,700,000 Krillin: 200,000 Vegeta (3rd Zenkai): 480,000 Vegeta (4th Zenkai): 2,000,000 Piccolo (Fused With Nail, With Weights): 1,080,000 Piccolo (Fused With Nail, Without Weights): 1,404,000 1st Form Freeza: 530,000 2nd Form Freeza (Supressed): 1,060,000 2nd Form Freeza (Full-Power): 1,320,000 3rd Form Freeza: 1,700,000 Final Form Freeza (1%): 1,200,000 Final Form Freeza (2%): 2,400,000 Goku Vs Freeza Son Goku (Zenkai): 3,000,000 Kaioken x2: 6,000,000 Kaioken x10: 30,000,000 Kaioken x10 Kamehameha: 50,000,000 Kaioken x20: 60,000,000 Genkai Dama: 100,000,000 Final Form Freeza (2%): 2,400,000 Final Form Freeza (4%): 4,800,000 Final Form Freeza (20%): 24,000,000 Final Form Freeza (40%): 48,000,000 Final Form Freeza (50%): 60,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku Vs Freeza Son Goku: 3,000,000 SS Son Goku: 150,000,000 Angry Kamehameha: 20,000,000 Freeza (50%): 60,000,000 Freeza (100%): 120,000,000 Freeza (With Half A Body): 10,000,000 Trunks Saga Trunks Vs Freeza & co. Trunks (Heavily Supressed): 5 Trunks (Full-Power): 4,800,000 SS Trunks: 192,000,000 Freeza's Soliders: Under 1,000 Mecha Freeza (50%): 75,000,000 Mecha Freeza (100%): 150,000,000 King Cold: 70,000,000 Other Characters Son Goku: 5,500,000 SS Son Goku: 220,000,000 Son Gohan: 1,000,000 Yamcha: 550,000 Tenshinhan: 690,000 Krillin: 850,000 Vegeta: 4,500,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 3,400,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 4,420,000 Android Saga and Cell Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Android Saga Goku VS Andriod 19 Son Goku (Post Training): 11,500,000 SS Son Goku (Post Training): 345,000,000 SS Son Goku (Sick): 69,000,000 Kamehameha: 158,700,000 Android 19: 160,000,000 Andriod 19 (Post-Kamehameha Absorption): 318,700,000 Vegeta Arrives! Vegeta (Post-Training): 12,000,000 SS Vegeta (Post Training): 360,000,000 Andriod 19: 298,700,000 The Hunt For Gero! Vegeta: 12,000,000 SS Vegeta: 360,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 230,000,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 299,000,000 Yamcha (Post-Training): 4,000,000 Krillin (Post-Training): 9,0000,000 Son Gohan (Post-Training): 10,000,000 Tenshinhan (Post-Training): 5,000,000 Trunks (Post-Training): 11,000,000 SS Trunks (Post-Training): 330,000,000 Dr. Gero: 180,000,000 Vegeta Vs Andriod 18 Vegeta: 12,000,000 SS Vegeta: 360,000,000 Andriod 18: (Not Trying): 370,000,000 Andriod 18 (Full Power): 590,000,000 Cell Saga Piccolo Vs Imperfect Cell Piccolo (Merged With Kami, With Weights): 460,000,000 Imperfect Cell: 395,000,000 Piccolo vs Andriod 17 Piccolo (Without Weights, Full-Power): 598,000,000 Hellzone Grenade: 650,000,000 Andriod 17: 595,000,000 Imperfect Cell Arrives Piccolo: 598,000,000 Makosen: 800,000,000 Andriod 17: 595,000,000 Andriod 18: 590,000,000 Andriod 16: 1,600,000,000 Hell Flash: 1,700,000,000 Imperfect Cell (Post Absorbing Humans): 1,610,000,000 Semi-Perfect Cell (Supressed) : 1,950,000,000 Tenshinhan: 5,000,000 Kikoho (Each): 1,000,000,000 Vegeta and Trunks Vs Semi-Perfect/Perfect Cell Vegeta (Post RoSaT Training): 130,000,000 SS Vegeta: 2,600,000,000 Ascended SS Vegeta: 3,900,000,000 Final Flash: 9,000,000,000 Trunks (Post RoSaT Training): 129,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,580,000,000 Ascended SS Trunks: 3,870,000,000 USS Trunks: 4,902,000,000 USS Trunks (More Buff): 5,934,000,000 Semi-Perfect Cell (Supressed) : 1,950,000,000 Semi-Perfect Cell (Full Power): 2,600,000,000 Perfect Cell (Supressed): 5,050,000,000 Perfect Cell (Supressed, Buff): 7,572,000,000 Cell Games Saga and Great Saiyaman Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Cell Games Saga Goku & Gohan Emerge From The Room Of Spirt! Son Goku (Post RoSaT Training): 1,000,000,000 Son Gohan (Post RoSaT Training): 2,050,000,000 The Cell Games! Hercule Rises To The Challenge! Hercule: 17 Perfect Cell (Supressed): 5,050,000,000 Goku VS Cell MSS Son Goku (50%): 5,000,000,000 MSS Son Goku (100%): 10,000,000,000 Warp Kamehameha: 23,000,000,000 Perfect Cell (Supressed): 5,050,000,000 Perfect Cell (Less Supressed): 10,500,000,000 Gohan VS Cell MSS Son Gohan (Supressed): 4,000,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (100%): 20,500,000,000 Perfect Cell (Less Supressed against Gohan): 19,000,000,000 The Cell Juniors Attack! MSS Son Goku (Tired): 1,000,000,000 Vegeta (Post 2nd RoSaT Training): 605,000,000 SS Vegeta: 6,050,000,000 Trunks (Post 2nd RoSaT Training): 600,000,000 SS Trunks: 6,000,000,000 Piccolo (Post RoSaT Training, With Weights): 3,000,000,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 3,900,000,000 Yamcha: 4,000,000 Krillin: 9,000,000 Tenshinhan: 5,000,000 Cell Jr.'s (Each): 6,200,000,000 Gohan Snaps! MSS Son Gohan: 20,500,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 82,000,000,000 Cell Jr.'s (Each): 5,200,000,000 Perfect Cell: 17,000,000,000 Perfect Cell (Full-Power): 35,000,000,000 Perfect Cell (Extremly Buff): 66,500,000,000 Semi Perfect Cell: 2,500,000,000 Self-Destruction: 100,000,000,000 Gohan Kills Cell! SS2 Son Gohan: 82,000,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan (Injured): 41,000,000,000 Father-Son Kamehameha: 94,300,000,000 Super Perfect Cell: 80,500,000,000 Solar Kamehameha: 185,150,000,000 Solar Kamehameha (Distracted by Vegeta): 50,000,000,000 Trunks Returns To The Past Trunks: 600,000,000 SS Trunks: 6,000,000,000 Future Andriod 18: 400,000,000 Future Andriod 17: 410,000,000 Trunks (Post 3 Years of Training): 900,000,000 SS Trunks: 9,000,000,000 Future Imperfect Cell: 910,000,000 Great Saiyaman Saga The Otherworld Tournament Freeza (1%): 2,800,000 King Cold: 97,000,000 Super Perfect Cell (Supressed): 1,000,000,000 Son Goku (Post-Training): 5,625,000,000 MSS Son Goku: 28,125,000,000 Super Kaioken: 56,250,000,000 Paikuhan (With Weights, Supressed): 5,625,000,000 Paikuhan (Without Weights, Full-Power): 28,125,000,000 Olibu: 3,000,000,000 7 Years Later Hercule (Post-Training): 19 Videl: 22 Son Gohan: 1,100,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (20%): 2,200,000,000 Son Goten: 400,000,000 SS Son Goten: 2,000,000,000 Trunks 405,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,025,000,000 Vegeta (Post-Training): 3,800,000,000 SS Vegeta: 18,000,000,000 World Tournament Saga and Babidi Saga Spoiler: click to toggle World Tournament Saga The 25th World Tournament Begins! Son Goku: 5,625,000,000 Vegeta: 3,800,000,000 Son Gohan: 1,100,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (Angry): 20,000,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 44,000,000,000 Son Goten: 425,000,000 SS Son Goten: 2,125,000,000 Trunks 430,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,150,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 6,000,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, Without Weights): 7,800,000,000 Kaioshin: 1,000,000,000 Kibito: 132,000,000 Krillin: 8,000,000 Yamcha: 2,000,000 Andriod 18: 590,000,000 Videl (Post-Training): 23 Hercule: 19 Spopvich (Supressed): 18 Spopvich (Full-Power): 25.5 Yamu: 24.7 Babidi Saga Vegeta Vs Pui Pui Vegeta: 3,800,000,000 Pui-Pui: 1,200,000,000 Goku Vs Yakon Son Goku: 5,625,000,000 MSS Son Goku: 28,125,000,000 SS2 Burst Goku: 70,000,000,000 Yakon: 5,500,000,000 Gohan Vs Dabura MSS Son Gohan: 11,000,000,000 Dabura: 10,500,000,000 Majin Buu Saga and Fusion Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Majin Buu Saga Majin Buu Awakens! Majin Buu (Initial): 40,000,000,000 Dabura: 10,500,000,000 MSS Son Gohan: 11,000,000,000 Kaioshin: 1,000,000,000 Majin Buu (More Powerful): 60,000,000,000 Goku Vs Majin Vegeta Son Goku: 5,625,000,000 MSS Son Goku: 28,125,000,000 SS2 Son Goku: 84,375,000,000 Majin Vegeta: 5,625,000,000 SS Majin Vegeta: 28,125,000,000 SS2 Majin Vegeta: 84,375,000,000 Majin Vegeta Vs Majin Buu SS2 Majin Vegeta: 84,375,000,000 Final Explosion: 330,000,000,000 Majin Buu: 48,000,000,000 Majin Buu (Angry): 300,000,000,000 Goku Vs Majin Buu Son Goku: 5,625,000,000 SS Son Goku: 28,125,000,000 SS2 Son Goku: 84,375,000,000 SS3 Son Goku: 337,500,000,000 Majin Buu: 300,000,000,000 Gotenks Vs Majin Buu Gotenks: 85,000,000,000 SS Gotenks: 425,000,000,000 Majin Buu: 300,000,000,000 Post Z-Sword Gohan: 21,000,000,000 SSJ Post Z-Sword Gohan: 105,000,000,000 SSJ2 Post Z-Sword Gohan: 315,000,000,000 (Hypothetically) The Buu's Split! Majin Buu: 300,000,000,000 Good Buu: 105,000,000,000 Evil Buu: 195,000,000,000 Super Buu (Supressed): 380,000,000,000 Fusion Saga Gotenks Vs Super Buu Son Goten (Post RoSaT Training): 2,850,000,000 Trunks (Post RoSaT Training): 2,850,000,000 Gotenks: 570,000,000,000 SS Gotenks: 2,850,000,000,000 SS2 Gotenks: 8,550,000,000,000 (Hypothetically) SS3 Gotenks: 34,200,000,000,000 Super Buu (Supressed): 550,000,000,000 Super Buu (Less Supressed): 4,200,000,000,000 Super Buu (Full Power): 33,000,000,000,000 Mystic Gohan Vs Super Buu Mystic Gohan: 48,000,000,000,000 Super Buu: 33,000,000,000,000 Super Buu: (SS3 Gotenks + Piccolo): 67,201,100,000,000 Super Buu: (Goten + Trunks + Piccolo): 33,006,800,000,000 Tenshinhan: 6,000,000 Kikoho: 1,200,000,000 Kibitoshin: 183,150,000,000 Vegito Vs Super Buu Son Goku: 5,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000,000 Vegito: 81,000,000,000,000 SS Vegito : 405,000,000,000,000 Super Buu (Gohan + Goten + Trunks + Piccolo): 81,006,800,000,000 Goku Vs Kid Buu Goku: 5,625,000,000 SS3 Goku: 337,500,000,000 (Had his full power for a very short time) Vegeta: 5,625,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 84,375,000,000 Good Buu: 105,000,000,000 Kid Buu: 337,500,000,000 Super Genkai Dama: 10,000,000,000,000 10 Years Later Son Goku (Post-Training): 340,000,000,000 Uub (Scared): 1,000,000 Uub (Enraged): 340,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 48,000,000,000,000 (His PL is the same because his power is still unlocked) Son Goten (Post Training): 15,000,000,000 Trunks (Post-Training): 15,000,000,000 Son Pan: 20,000,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights, Post-Training): 30,000,000,000 Vegeta (Post-Training): 300,000,000,000 Krillin: 7,000,000 Andriod 18: 590,000,000 Good Buu: 105,000,000,000 DBZ Specials Bardock, The Father Of Goku and Trunks, The Lone Warrior Spoiler: click to toggle Bardock, The Father Of Goku Takeover of Planet Kanassan Bardock: 7,800 Oozaru Bardock: 78,000 Tora: 3,500 Oozaru Toru: 35,000 Borgos: 2,900 Oozaru Borgos: 29,000 Serpia: 1,900 Oozaru Serpia: 19,000 Shugesh: 2,300 Oozaru Shugesh: 23,000 Kanassan Warriors: 8,000 Bardock's Rebelion Kid Vegeta: 12,000 Nappa: 5,000 King Vegeta: 10,000 Dodoria's Men: 4,500 Dodoria: 18,700 Bardock (Zenkai): 9,800 Freiza: 530,000 Trunks, The Lone Warrior Son Goku is Dead! Future Goku: 5,000,000 Future Kid Gohan: 800,000 The Andriods Appear! Future Vegeta: 4,500,000 SS Future Vegeta: 180,000,000 Future Piccolo: 4,000,000 Future Tien: 950,000 Future Krillin: 780,000 Future Yamcha: 680,000 Future Andriod 18: 405,000,000 Future Andriod 17: 410,000,000 A Dark Future Future Young Trunks: 50,000 Future Gohan: 3,500,000 SS Future Gohan: 140,000,000 Future Andriod 18 (Less than 50%): 130,000,000 Future Andriod 17 (Less than 50%): 142,000,000 1 Year Later Future Young Trunks (Post-Training): 93,000 SS Future Young Trunks: 3,720,000 Future Gohan (Post-Training): 4,750,000 SS Future Gohan: 190,000,000 Future Andriod 18: 405,000,000 Future Andriod 17: 410,000,000 Trunks's Failed Revenge Future Trunks (Post-Training): 4,800,000 SS Future Trunks: 192,000,000 Future Andriod 18: 405,000,000 Future Andriod 17: 410,000,000 DBZ Movies Movie 1: Dead Zone and Garlic Jr. Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 1 Goku: 416 Chi-Chi: 130 Gohan: 1 Gohan (Angry): 900 Gohan (More Angry): 1,800 Krillin: 206 Piccolo (With Weights): 322 Piccolo (Without Weights): 408 Kami: 270 Garlic Jr.: 220 Garlic Jr. (Eternal Life): 450 Garlic Jr. (Post-Transformation): 600 Garlic Jr. (Dead Zone): 1,000 Nicky: 180 Nicky (Full Power): 280 Sansho: 190 Sansho (Full Power): 290 Ginger: 200 Ginger (Full Power): 300 Garlic Jr. Saga Coming Soon! Movie 2: World's Strongest and Movie 3: Tree Of Might Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 2 Master Roshi: 140 Misokattsun (Supressed): 120 Ebirurya (Supressed): 120 Kishime (Supressed): 120 Goku: 8,350 Kaioken x2: 16,700 Kaioken x3: 25,050 Kaioken x4: 33,400 Kaioken x4 Kamehameha: 76,820 Spirt Bomb (1st): 40,000 Spirt Bomb (2nd): 200,000 Gohan (Heavily Supressed: 20 Gohan (Full Power): 3,000 Gohan (Angry): 15,000 Krillin: 2,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 2,400 Piccolo (Without Weights): 3,120 Dr. Kochin: 3.8 Biomen: 200 Misokattsun: 9,000 Ebirurya: 6,500 Kishime: 7,300 Dr. Wheelo: 70,000 Dr. Wheelo (Angry): 85,000 Movie 3 Goku: 30,000 Kaioken x2: 60,000 Kaioken x10: 300,000 Spirt Bomb: 500,000 Larger Spirt Bomb: 3,000,000 Gohan: 10,000 Gohan (Weakned): 6,000 Oozaru Gohan (Weakned): 60,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 18,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 23,400 Chiatzou: 4,500 Yamcha: 7,000 Krillin: 8,000 Tien: 9,000 Amond: 15,000 Kakao: 11,000 Daiz: 13,000 Crusher Bros: 6,000 (Each) Turles: 85,000 Kill Driver: 140,000 Turles (Post Fruit): 850,000 Turles (Post 2nd Fruit): 1,400,000 Movie 4: Lord Slug and Movie 5: Cooler's Revenge Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 4 Goku (Supressed): 65,000 Goku (Full Power): 90,000 Kaioken x20: 1,800,000 FSS Goku: 4,500,000 Spirt Bomb: 10,000,000 Gohan: 30,000 Krillin: 29,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 47,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 61,100 Zeun: 50,000 Angira: 44,000 Doradobo: 38,000 Medamatcha: 33,000 Mini Medamatchas: 4,000 (Each) Slug (Old): 100,000 Slug (Young): 470,000 Giant Slug: 1,700,000 Giant Slug (Distracted): 800,000 Movie 5 Goku 6,250,000 Kaioken x10: 62,500,000 Kaioken x10 Kamehameha: 143,750,000 SS Goku: 250,000,000 Gohan: 900,000 Krillin: 840,000 Piccolo 4,200,000 Dore: 1,000,000 Neiz: 1,500,000 Salza: 2,800,000 Cooler (4%): 6,400,000 Cooler (100%): 160,000,000 5th Form Cooler: 190,000,000 Supernova: 240,000,000 Movie 6: Return of Cooler and Movie 7: Super Andriod 13 Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 6 Cooler's Guards: 9,900,000 Gohan: 10,000,000 Krillin: 9,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 120,000,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 156,000,000 Goku: 11,500,000 Kaioken x10: 115,000,000 SS Goku: 345,000,000 Vegeta: 12,000,000 SS Vegeta: 360,000,000 Combined Attack: 630,000,000 Meta Cooler (Initital): 340,000,000 Meta Cooler (Repaired): 450,000,000 Meta Cooler's Head: 100,000,000 Movie 7 Goku: 15,000,000 SS Goku: 450,000,000 Spirt Bomb: 1,000,000,000 Spirt Bomb Absorbed: 1,450,000,000 Vegeta: 14,500,000 SS Vegeta: 435,000,000 Trunks: 14,000,000 SS Trunks: 420,000,000 Gohan: 10,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 460,000,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 598,000,000 Krillin: 9,000,000 Andriod 14 (Supressed): 22,000,000 Andriod 14 (Full Power): 410,000,000 Andriod 15 (Supressed): 26,000,000 Andriod 15 (Full Power): 420,000,000 Andriod 13 (Supressed): 30,000,000 Andriod 13 (Full Power): 480,000,000 Super 13: 850,000,000 Movie 8: Broly, The Legendary Super Saiyan and Movie 9: Bojack Unbound Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 8 Goku: 1,000,000,000 MSS Goku: 10,000,000,000 Kamehameha: 23,000,000,000 Powered Up: 30,000,000,000 More Powered Up: 60,000,000,000 Gohan: 120,000,000 MSS Gohan: 1,200,000,000 Vegeta: 122,000,000 SS Vegeta: 2,440,000,000 Ascended SS Vegeta: 3,660,000,000 Trunks: 120,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,400,000,000 Ascended SS Trunks 3,600,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 3,000,000,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 3,900,000,000 Paragus: 2,000 Broly: 1,250,000,000 RSS Broly (Initital): 950,000,000 RSS Broly (Less Restricted): 11,000,000,000 SS Broly: 12,500,000,000 LSS Broly: 28,750,000,000 LSS Broly (Limits Reached): 35,000,000,000 Movie 9 Hercule: 17 Krillin: 510,000,000 Tien: 500,000,000 Yamcha: 100,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights): 3,000,000,000 Piccolo (Without Weights): 3,900,000,000 Trunks: 600,000,000 SS Trunks: 6,000,000,000 Vegeta: 605,000,000 SS Vegeta: 6,050,000,000 Gohan: 2,050,000,000 MSS Gohan: 20,500,000,000 MSS Gohan (Weakened): 9,800,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 82,000,000,000 Doskoi: 25 Zangya: 9,000,000,000 Bido: 7,000,000,000 Bujin: 5,000,000,000 Gokua: 550,000,000 Gokua (Post-Transformation): 3,000,000,000 Bojack: 15,000,000,000 Bojack (Post-Transformation): 22,000,000,000 Goku: 1,000,000,000 Movie 10: Broly, Second Coming and Movie 11: Bio Broly Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 10 Gohan: 3,400,000,000 MSS Gohan: 17,000,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 51,000,000,000 Goten: 425,000,000 SS Goten: 2,125,000,000 Goku: 5,625,000,000 MSS Goku: 28,125,000,000 Family Kamehameha (MSS Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten): 186,875,000,000 Trunks 430,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,150,000,000 Videl: 23 Krillin: 90,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 6,000,000,000 SS Broly (Supressed): 3,500,000,000 SS Broly: 35,000,000,000 LSS Broly: 80,500,000,000 Omega Blaster: 164,000,000,000 Omega Blaster (Distracted By Trunks): 100,000,000,000 Movie 11 Hercule: 19 Andriod 18: 590,000,000 Krillin: 8,000,000 Goten: 425,000,000 SS Goten: 2,125,000,000 Enraged SS Goten: 3,000,000,000 Trunks 430,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,150,000,000 Bio Clones: 1,000 Bio Broly: 250,000,000 SS Bio Broly: 1,250,000,000 LSS Bio Broly: 2,500,000,000 Goku: 5,625,000,000 MSS Goku: 28,125,000,000 (Not Shown In The Movie) SS2 Goku: 84,375,000,000 (Not Shown In The Movie) Movie 12: Fusion Reborn and Movie 13: Wrath Of The Dragon Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 12 Gohan: 1,100,000,000 Videl: 23 Hercule: 19 Freiza (1%): 2,800,000 Goten: 425,000,000 SS Goten: 2,125,000,000 Trunks 430,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,150,000,000 SS Gotenks: 425,000,000,000 Adolf Hitler: 5.5 Goku: 16,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 247,500,000,000 SS3 Goku: 990,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,625,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 84,375,000,000 Veku: 28,125,000 Gogeta: 1,125,000,000,000 SS Gogeta: 5,625,000,000,000 Multi Janembas: 1,000,000,000 Fat Janemba: 650,000,000,000 Super Janemba (Heavily Supressed): 1,000,000,000,000 Super Janemba (Less Supressed): 1,500,000,000,000 Super Janemba (Full Power): 2,800,000,000,000 Movie 13 Goku: 6,000,000,000,000 SS2 Goku: 90,000,000,000,000 SS3 Goku: 360,000,000,000,000 Dragonfist: 1,000,000,000,000,000 Goten: 18,000,000,000 SS Goten: 90,000,000,000 Trunks: 90,000,000,000 SS Trunks: 200,000,000,000 SS3 Gotenks: 216,000,000,000,000 Mystic Gohan: 48,000,000,000,000 Vegeta: 6,000,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 90,000,000,000,000 Krillin: 8,000,000 Tapion: 5,000,000,000 Hirudegarn (Lower Half): 70,000,000,000,000 Hirudegarn (Full Body): 140,000,000,000,000 Hirudegarn (Post-Transformation): 380,000,000,000,000 Movie 14: Battle of Gods Spoiler: click to toggle Goku: 47,000,000,000 MSS Goku: 211,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 528,750,000,000 SS3 Goku: 1,850,625,000,000 SSG Goku: 735,500,000,000,000 Vegeta: 45,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 202,500,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 506,250,000,000 SS2 Enraged Vegeta: 3,000,000,000,000 Mystic Gohan: 48,000,000,000,000 Goten: 10,000,000,000 SS Goten: 45,000,000,000 Trunks: 10,000,000,000 SS Trunks: 45,000,000,000 Gotenks: 2,000,000,000,000 SS Gotenks: 9,000,000,000,000 Good Buu: 105,000,000,000 Kibitoshin: 183,150,000,000 Piccolo: 20,000,000,000 Andriod 18: 590,000,000 Krillin: 7,500,000 Tien: 7,000,000 Billis: 1,230,000,000,000,000 Whis: 1,600,000,000,000,000 DBGT Black-Star Dragon Ball Saga and Baby Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Black-Star Dragon Ball Saga A Devastating Wish Goku : 6,000,000,000,000 Uub: 5,000,000,000,000 Pan: 1,500,000,000,000 Trunks: 670,000,000,000 Kibitoshin: 183,150,000,000 Space Adventures Sheela: 80,000,000 Gale: 90,000,000 Goku: 6,000,000,000,000 SS Goku: 15,500,000,000,000 Ledgic: 7,000,000,000,000 Goku, Pan, and Trunks Vs The Sigma Force Goku: 90,000,000,000,000 Pan: 1,500,000,000,000 Trunks: 670,000,000,000 Nutt: 20,000,000,000,000 Velse: 22,500,000,000,000 Neji: 24,000,000,000,000 Sigma Cannon Force: 66,500,000,000,000 Goku Vs Rildo Goku: 90,000,000,000,000 SS Goku: 225,000,000,000,000 SS2 Goku: 247,500,000,000,000 Pan: 1,500,000,000,000 Pan (Enraged): 100,000,000,000,000 Trunks: 670,000,000,000 SS Trunks: 1,675,000,000,000 Rild: 82,000,000,000,000 Rlid (1st Transformation): 140,000,000,000,000 Rild (2nd Transformation): 200,000,000,000,000 Dr. Myuu: 50,000,000 Infant Baby: 90,000,000,000 Baby Saga Goten Vs Baby Goten: 670,000,000,000 SS Goten: 1,675,000,000,000 Kamehameha: 3,852,500,000,000 Teen Baby (Supressed): 300,000,000,000 Teen Baby (Full Power): 10,000,000,000,000 Gohan Vs Baby Goten Baby Goten: 5,000,000,000,000 SS Baby Goten: 12,500,000,000,000 Self-Destruct Attempt: 70,000,000,000,000 Gohan: 67,000,000,000,000 SS Gohan: 167,500,000,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights, Post-Training): 100,000,000,000,000 Vegeta Vs Baby Gohan & Goten Baby Gohan: 71,000,000,000,000 SS Baby Gohan: 177,500,000,000,000 Goten (Baby possesed): 670,000,000,000 Vegeta 85,000,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 212,500,000,000,000 Goku Vs Baby Vegeta Goku: 90,000,000,000,000 SS3 Goku: 371,250,000,000,000 Baby Vegeta: 400,000,000,000,000 Super Baby Vegeta: 490,000,000,000,000 Final Form Baby Vegeta: 600,000,000,000,000 Uub Vs Baby Vegeta Uub: (Post-Training): 50,000,000,000,000 Good Buu: 105,000,000,000 Super Uub: 500,000,000,000,000 Final Form Baby Vegeta (Supressed): 60,000,000,000,000 Final Form Baby Vegeta: 600,000,000,000,000 SS4 Goku vs Baby Vegeta Oozaru Goku: 900,000,000,000,000 Golden Oozaru Goku: 3,500,000,000,000,000 SS4 Goku: 7,000,000,000,000,000 Final Form Baby Vegeta: 550,000,000,000,000 Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta: 7,000,000,000,000,000 Pan (Enraged): 100,000,000,000,000 Adult Baby: 90,000,000,000,000 Super 17 Saga and Shadow Dragon Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Super 17 Saga Villians Return! Goku (Post-Training): 600,000,000,000,000 Frieza (Post-Training): 95,000,000,000,000 Super Perfect Cell (Post-Training): 99,000,000,000,000 Saibamen: 1,200 Nappa (Post-Training): 100,000 Vegeta (Post-Training): 380,000,000,000,000 Gohan: 90,000,000,000,000 Rild: 90,000,000,000,000 Piccolo (With Weights, Post-Training): 600,000,000,000,000 Super 17 Is Formed! Krillin: 5,000,000 Andriod 18: 590,000,000 Andriod 17: 600,000,000 Hell Fighter 17: 200,000,000,000,000 Super 17 (Initial): 2,300,000,000,000,000 Pan: 1,500,000,000,000 Goten: 670,000,000,000 SS Goten: 1,675,000,000,000 Trunks: 670,000,000,000 SS Trunks: 1,675,000,000,000 Gohan: 90,000,000,000,000 SS Gohan: 225,000,000,000,000 Vegeta: 380,000,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 950,000,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 1,045,000,000,000,000 Super Uub (Post-Training): 900,000,000,000,000 Goku Vs Super 17 Goku: 600,000,000,000,000 SS Goku: 1,500,000,000,000,000 Super Kamehameha: 3,450,000,000,000,000 SS4 Goku: 30,000,000,000,000,000 10x Kamehameha: 69,000,000,000,000,000 Super 17 (Initial): 2,300,000,000,000,000 Super 17 (Super Kamehameha absorbed): 5,750,000,000,000,000 Super 17: (10x Kamehameha absorbed): 74,750,000,000,000,000 Super 17 (Distracted by 18): 100,000,000,000,000 Goku (Injured): 10,000,000,000,000 Dragonfist: 1,000,000,000,000,000 Shadow Dragon Saga The Shadow Dragons Appear! Goku: (Post-Training): 700,000,000,000,000 SS4 Goku: 80,000,000,000,000,000 10x Kamehameha: 184,000,000,000,000,000 Pan: 1,500,000,000,000 Haze Shenron: 70 Rage Shenron: 600,000,000,000 Rage Shenron (Powered Up): 200,000,000,000,000,000 Oceanus Shenron: 2,300,000,000,000,000 Naturon Shenron: 50,000 Naturon Shenron (Pan Absorbed): 200,000,000,000,000,000 Naturon Shenron (True Form): 1,000 Nuova Shenron: 7,500,000,000,000,000 Nuova Shenron (True Form): 75,000,000,000,000,000 Eis Shenron: 60,000,000,000,000,000 Syn Shenron: 250,000,000,000,000,000 Z-Fighters Vs Omega Shenron SS4 Goku (Beyond Limits): 500,000,000,000,000,000 Dragonfist: 2,000,000,000,000,000,000 Omega Shenron: 2,500,000,000,000,000,000 Goten: 670,000,000,000 SS Goten: 1,675,000,000,000 Trunks: 670,000,000,000 SS Trunks: 1,675,000,000,000 Gohan: 90,000,000,000,000 SS Gohan: 225,000,000,000,000 Super Uub (Post-Training): 1,000,000,000,000,000 SS4 Gogeta Vs Omega Shenron Vegeta (Post-Training): 450,000,000,000,000 Oozaru Vegeta (Blutz Waves): 4,500,000,000,000,000 Golden Oozaru Vegeta (Blutz Waves): 15,000,000,000,000,000 SS4 Vegeta (Blutz Waves): 30,000,000,000,000,000 SS4 Goku (Tired + Injured)): 30,000,000,000,000,000 SS4 Gogeta: 6,000,000,000,000,000,000 Big Bang Kamehameha: 13,800,000,000,000,000,000 Omega Shenron: 2,500,000,000,000,000,000 Nuova Shenron: 75,000,000,000,000,000 The Universal Genkai Dama! SS2 Vegeta: 2,200,000,000,000,000 Omega Shenron: 2,500,000,000,000,000,000 Universal Genkai Dama: 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 100 Years Later Goku Jr.: 100 SS Goku Jr.: 5,000 Vegeta Jr.: 100 SS Vegeta Jr.: 5,000 Pan: 500,000,000 Goku (Post 100 Years of Training): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 DBAY (My fanfic series) Gold Star Dragon Ball Saga/Damo Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Introduction Arc Hiroki: 9 Hiroki (Post Wish): 1,100,000,000,000 Gosan: 11,000,000,000,000 Pan: 12,000,000,000,000 Gohan: 48,000,000,000,000 The Arrival On Aethga! Goten + Trunks + Pan + Gosan + Hiroki (Heavily Supressed): Under 10,000 Gosan: 11,000,000,000,000 Kamehameha: 25,300,000,000,000 Damo's Soldiers (Each): 120,000,000 (They were stated to all be on par with Frieza). Goten and Trunks VS Damo Goten: 335,000,000,000 SS Goten: 1,005,000,000,000 Kamehameha: 2,331,500,000,000 SS2 Goten: 2,010,000,000,000 Trunks: 335,000,000,000 SS Trunks: 1,005,000,000,000 SS2 Trunks: 2,010,000,000,000 Damo (1%): 2,010,000,000,000 Hiroki VS Damo Hiroki: 2,100,000,000,000 Damo (1%): 2,010,000,000,000 Damo (25%): 50,250,000,000,000 Pan VS Damo Pan: 11,000,000,000,000 SS Pan: 33,000,000,000,000 SS2 Pan: 66,000,000,000,000 Super Kamehameha: 151,800,000,000,000 Damo (25%): 50,250,000,000,000 Damo (50%): 100,500,000,000,000 Little Hope Against Damo! Hiroki: 2,100,000,000,000 SS2 Goten: 2,010,000,000,000 SS2 Trunks: 2,010,000,000,000 Buster Cannon: 3,150,000,000,000 Finish Buster: 5,000,000,000,000 Enraged Gosan: 25,000,000,000,000 SS2 Enraged Gosan: 150,000,000,000,000 Super Masenko: 168,000,000,000,000 SS2 Pan: 66,000,000,000,000 Fatal Kamehameha: 500,000,000,000,000 Damo (50%): 100,500,000,000,000 Gotenks VS Damo Gotenks: 67,000,000,000,000 SS Gotenks: 201,000,000,000,000 SS2 Gotenks: 402,000,000,000,000 SS3 Gotenks: 1,608,000,000,000,000 Weakned Damo: 67,000,000,000,000 Damo (100%): 201,000,000,000,000 Inferno Death Ball: 500,000,000,000,000 Freiza's Successors Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Coming Soon! Edited by Yusuke, Mar 25 2014, 06:12 PM.
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SSJSC	Mar 5 2014, 10:50 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	I hate the logic that exists for the potara fusion of Goku and Gohan. If the potara fusion multiplies each person's strength, then by means, Gokan should be at least 50% more powerful than Vegito. Edited by SSJSC, Mar 5 2014, 10:51 PM.



+ Yusuke	Mar 5 2014, 11:00 PM Post #3
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	SSJSC Mar 5 2014, 10:50 PM I hate the logic that exists for the potara fusion of Goku and Gohan. If the potara fusion multiplies each person's strength, then by means, Gokan should be at least 50% more powerful than Vegito. That's the thing, Potara doesn't multiply the fusees PL's. If that were the case, Base Vegito would one-shot Buuhan and we know that's not the case. As for Gokhan... http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8961800&t=8460840
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+ Pyrus	Mar 6 2014, 12:37 AM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: Krillin: 24,000 24,000 against Ginyu-Goku? Seems a bit low when Krillin was clearly advantaged even while holding back to protect Goku's body, eh? Quote: Krillin: 75,000 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8945258&t=8445753 Quote: Vegeta (4th Zenkai): 1,800,000 He was confident in taking on 4th Form Freeza, let alone 3rd Form. I think that's a bit too close. Quote: Semi-Perfect Cell (Supressed) : 1,400,000,000 Chapter: 377 (DBZ 183), P3.1-2 Context: as Vegeta is about to fight second form Cell Trunks: “Father intends to ‘become’ that right off the bat…! [Become] that…!” Note: Trunks’ surprise at Vegeta becoming Super Saiyan Grade II so soon may imply that Vegeta would be capable of fighting second form Cell even as a regular Super Saiyan. Quote: Son Gohan: 900,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (25%): 2,250,000,000 Son Goten: 400,000,000 SS Son Goten: 2,000,000,000 Trunks 405,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,025,000,000 Quote: Vegeta (Post-Training): 3,600,000,000 SS Vegeta: 18,000,000,000 I'm inclined to disagree. At best I could see him rivaling Kid Gohan, but equaling and surpassing I can't really agree with given the implications during the sequence with Babidi's ship. Quote: Krillin: 90,000,000 Must've been doing some serious lifting before he gave up fighting. Quote: SS3 Son Goku: 300,000,000,000 Majin Buu: 175,000,000,000 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8923565&t=8441082 Quote: Majin Buu (Very Angry) 250,000,000,000 Dunno, Boo's power was never noted to have risen at that point. Quote: Super Buu (Supressed): 550,000,000,000 SSjin Gotenks should still be superior. Piccolo didn't lose hope until he powered up on the Lookout. Quote: SS2 Gotenks: 30,000,000,00,000 When did he use this form in BOG? Quote: SS2 Enraged Vegeta: 506,250,000,000,000 (A lot of haxing for Vegeta if you ask me) He only has to surpass SSjin 3 Goku. Quote: SS4 Goku (Supressed): 30,000,000,000,000,000 Goku never had to suppress to fuse with Vegeta. This was never noted and neither was a severe depletion of Goku's power until it became apparent. Vegeta should be just as strong as Goku as a Super Saiyan 4.
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+ Yusuke	Mar 6 2014, 01:04 AM Post #5
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 6 2014, 12:37 AM Quote: Krillin: 24,000 24,000 against Ginyu-Goku? Seems a bit low when Krillin was clearly advantaged even while holding back to protect Goku's body, eh? Quote: Krillin: 75,000 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8945258&t=8445753 Quote: Vegeta (4th Zenkai): 1,800,000 He was confident in taking on 4th Form Freeza, let alone 3rd Form. I think that's a bit too close. Quote: Semi-Perfect Cell (Supressed) : 1,400,000,000 Chapter: 377 (DBZ 183), P3.1-2 Context: as Vegeta is about to fight second form Cell Trunks: “Father intends to ‘become’ that right off the bat…! [Become] that…!” Note: Trunks’ surprise at Vegeta becoming Super Saiyan Grade II so soon may imply that Vegeta would be capable of fighting second form Cell even as a regular Super Saiyan. Quote: Son Gohan: 900,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (25%): 2,250,000,000 Son Goten: 400,000,000 SS Son Goten: 2,000,000,000 Trunks 405,000,000 SS Trunks: 2,025,000,000 Quote: Vegeta (Post-Training): 3,600,000,000 SS Vegeta: 18,000,000,000 I'm inclined to disagree. At best I could see him rivaling Kid Gohan, but equaling and surpassing I can't really agree with given the implications during the sequence with Babidi's ship. Quote: Krillin: 90,000,000 Must've been doing some serious lifting before he gave up fighting. Quote: SS3 Son Goku: 300,000,000,000 Majin Buu: 175,000,000,000 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8923565&t=8441082 Quote: Majin Buu (Very Angry) 250,000,000,000 Dunno, Boo's power was never noted to have risen at that point. Quote: Super Buu (Supressed): 550,000,000,000 SSjin Gotenks should still be superior. Piccolo didn't lose hope until he powered up on the Lookout. Quote: SS2 Gotenks: 30,000,000,00,000 When did he use this form in BOG? Quote: SS2 Enraged Vegeta: 506,250,000,000,000 (A lot of haxing for Vegeta if you ask me) He only has to surpass SSjin 3 Goku. Quote: SS4 Goku (Supressed): 30,000,000,000,000,000 Goku never had to suppress to fuse with Vegeta. This was never noted and neither was a severe depletion of Goku's power until it became apparent. Vegeta should be just as strong as Goku as a Super Saiyan 4. - I'll put Krillin at 28,000 and Gohan at 29,000 - Does 200,000 sound better for Krllin? - He was, indeed but the fight proves otherwise. - That's why I have both Vegeta and Trunks stronger than suppressed Semi-Perfect Cell. I think you got the two mixed up. - Just what I believe man lol. - 3,200,000,000 for Vegeta then. I only have him stronger than Kid Gohan in Base. - I'll put Buu at 250,000,000,000 - Same as above - I'm referring to the Super Buu when he first entred the RoSaT. The Super Buu your talking about would most likely still be at 250,000,000,000 - It was more like a what if he did. I haven't watched BoG in a few months so Imma take that out. - He was able to get a hit on Beers - No he shouldn't, i've debated this a lot of times before. Vegeta lost to frigging Nuova Shenron, the same opponent that Goku fought almost evenly with before he surpassed his limits. Tell me what you think of the movies as well. EDIT: I forgot about what you said about Buu Saga Krillin. I put him high so that Tien would also be in the ten-millions as well because I don't think the humans are really that weak. Edited by Yusuke, Mar 6 2014, 01:10 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 6 2014, 06:25 AM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: - Does 200,000 sound better for Krllin? That's about where I put him, give or take. Quote: - He was, indeed but the fight proves otherwise. Well, I'm not saying make him stronger than 4th Form Freeza, but he was confident in taking on a stronger form of Freeza, so I don't think he should be about the same strength as the third form. Quote: - That's why I have both Vegeta and Trunks stronger than suppressed Semi-Perfect Cell. I think you got the two mixed up. Probably. Quote: - He was able to get a hit on Beers I always went by Beerus using different levels of effort against the Z-Fighters, otherwise the weaker ones would've been killed instantly once Gohan and Boo were taken out, so Vegeta was merely a lot stronger than the level Beerus had previously used, and that's why he was able to do so much (ineffective) damage. Quote: - No he shouldn't, i've debated this a lot of times before. Vegeta lost to frigging Nuova Shenron, the same opponent that Goku fought almost evenly with before he surpassed his limits. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746416&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746579&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746614&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746860&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746992&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8747054&t=8415707 Quote: Tell me what you think of the movies as well. Will do. Quote: EDIT: I forgot about what you said about Buu Saga Krillin. I put him high so that Tien would also be in the ten-millions as well because I don't think the humans are really that weak. I suppose that's fair, but it seems quite abrupt.
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+ Yusuke	Mar 6 2014, 12:52 PM Post #7
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: Well, I'm not saying make him stronger than 4th Form Freeza, but he was confident in taking on a stronger form of Freeza, so I don't think he should be about the same strength as the third form. 2,000,000 then. Quote: I always went by Beerus using different levels of effort against the Z-Fighters, otherwise the weaker ones would've been killed instantly once Gohan and Boo were taken out, so Vegeta was merely a lot stronger than the level Beerus had previously used, and that's why he was able to do so much (ineffective) damage. Alrighty, 3,000,000,000 Quote: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746416&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746579&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746614&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746860&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8746992&t=8415707 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8747054&t=8415707 Oh boy, were going to have a huge problem here KP! I find the argument that SSJ4 Vegeta is as strong as surpassed limits SSJ4 Goku to be ridiculous. Espically in a place like GT (Toei World) where all the characters get the shaft except for Goku. Whether or not Vegeta took damage isn't the problem my friend. The problem here is that he couldn't even see the guy. Really, Nuova was punking him out like crazy and Vegeta was desperately trying to get an attack on him. The fact that Nuova was holding back even supports this more. Then comes the other argument that SSJ4 Vegeta lost power after the fusion. This is what I find to be the most hypocritical out of all the pro-Vegeta arguments. People who believe this will say that SSJ4 Goku wasn't tired/injured after using the Kamehameha X10 and the friggin Dragon FIst on Syn/Omega and yet somehow, after dilly daddling with Omega for a few minutes and using very minimal ki as Gogeta, Vegeta is too tired to face Nuova. Yeah....I don't think so Edited by Yusuke, Mar 6 2014, 12:53 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 6 2014, 12:58 PM Post #8
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	So... Quote: A problem arises, though. After Yi Xing Long returned to normal from Gogeta's beating, Goku claimed he could take him down all on his own, and we know Yi Xing Long is stronger than Si Xing Long, and we witnessed Goku and Vegeta fusing so they would have to be equal in power to do that. SSjin 4 Goku (post-Fusion) = SSjin 4 Vegeta (post-Fusion) > Yi Xing Long > Si Xing Long > Goku > Vegeta? What? Problems indeed. Plus, I'm sure that post in the last link kind of covered the majority of what you said. Edited by Pyrus, Mar 6 2014, 01:00 PM.
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+ Yusuke	Mar 6 2014, 01:15 PM Post #9
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 6 2014, 12:58 PM So... Quote: A problem arises, though. After Yi Xing Long returned to normal from Gogeta's beating, Goku claimed he could take him down all on his own, and we know Yi Xing Long is stronger than Si Xing Long, and we witnessed Goku and Vegeta fusing so they would have to be equal in power to do that. SSjin 4 Goku (post-Fusion) = SSjin 4 Vegeta (post-Fusion) > Yi Xing Long > Si Xing Long > Goku > Vegeta? What? Problems indeed. Plus, I'm sure that post in the last link kind of covered the majority of what you said. Yeah, I know. That's what I adressed here Quote: Then comes the other argument that SSJ4 Vegeta lost power after the fusion. This is what I find to be the most hypocritical out of all the pro-Vegeta arguments. People who believe this will say that SSJ4 Goku wasn't tired/injured after using the Kamehameha X10 and the friggin Dragon FIst on Syn/Omega and yet somehow, after dilly daddling with Omega for a few minutes and using very minimal ki as Gogeta, Vegeta is too tired to face Nuova. It's extremely hypocritical to say that Goku didn't lose any power before fusing with Vegeta and yet trying to assert that Vegeta lost power after fusing for a couple of minutes of trolling Omega and using like 1-2 ki blasts.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 6 2014, 01:31 PM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	What would you settle on, then? Both Goku and Vegeta lost power, but were both stronger than Yi Xing Long? That's about as far as I'd see it being able to work when they're both implied to be able to accomplish the feat of beating Yi individually.
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+ Yusuke	Mar 6 2014, 02:17 PM Post #11
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 6 2014, 01:31 PM What would you settle on, then? Both Goku and Vegeta lost power, but were both stronger than Yi Xing Long? That's about as far as I'd see it being able to work when they're both implied to be able to accomplish the feat of beating Yi individually. Just so i'm not confused, Yi is Syn right? I don't think theirs much evidence to show that Vegeta surpassed Syn if he couldn't keep up with Nuova. I still hold my belief that Goku was worn out and tired by the time Vegeta arrived on the battlefield hence Vegeta being as strong as a injured/tired Goku. By then, Goku pretty much fought all the Shadow Dragons on his own albeit Pan and got a whopping from them on too many occasions. It makes much more sense when you think about it Edited by Yusuke, Mar 6 2014, 02:18 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 6 2014, 02:43 PM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Yi is Syn, yes. The problem is Goku said he could handle Yi by himself and then fused with Vegeta.
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+ Yusuke	Mar 6 2014, 02:49 PM Post #13
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 6 2014, 02:43 PM Yi is Syn, yes. The problem is Goku said he could handle Yi by himself and then fused with Vegeta. Quote: I still hold my belief that Goku was worn out and tired by the time Vegeta arrived on the battlefield hence Vegeta being as strong as a injured/tired Goku. By then, Goku pretty much fought all the Shadow Dragons on his own albeit Pan and got a whopping from them on too many occasions. It makes much more sense when you think about it After going through pretty much all the Shadow Dragons, it makes sense for Goku to have lost a lot of power. SSJ4 Goku (Post Limits) >> Syn Shenron >> SSJ4 Goku ~ Nuova Shenron >> SSJ4 Goku (Tired + Injured) & SSJ4 Vegeta
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+ Pyrus	Mar 6 2014, 03:40 PM Post #14
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I think you're getting your sequence of events mixed up. Edited by Pyrus, Mar 6 2014, 03:40 PM.
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+ Yusuke	Mar 6 2014, 03:51 PM Post #15
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 6 2014, 03:40 PM I think you're getting your sequence of events mixed up. No, that was supposed to be the power chain.
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